[Herky] Wrestling Recap - Pre Big Ten Tourney - Read only if you like wrestling!
Jeff Napier
jnapier111 at outlook.com
Thu Feb 22 09:54:59 PST 2018
I am hoping that Spencer's conditioning issue is related to recovery after weigh-in which is something they should be able to fix.
I never noticed a conditioning or action issue with Kemdawg until recently so I attribute it to the knee issue.
Marinelli has shown me that he can compete with Joseph. It should be a close match even if he loses. Last time he wrestled IMar I don't think it was close. I expect it will be closer next time but I think IMar is too slick for Marinelli. Marinelli has a good chance to get the #1 seed in BT which would put IMar and Joseph on the opposite side.
I hope you are right about Murin. I think he can be really good at 133 but will be borderline AA at 141.
I think the tourneys could be very fun/interesting as I expect lots of upsets and many exciting matches.
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From: Herky <herky-bounces at lists.herky.net> on behalf of Curtis Frazier <cfrazier at ceoexpress.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 6:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [Herky] Wrestling Recap - Pre Big Ten Tourney - Read only if you like wrestling!
All good points, Jeff.
I think Spencer’s problem earlier was 18 year old-it is. It is a whole different level there. I am really holding out hope he has grown out of the peach fuzz, but valid observation.
Kem-Dawg does have the knee, but his overall engine is more concerning to me. He just winds down after the 1st. Could be just me, but I think that may be his downfall.
As for IMar, I like him, but I worried more about Joseph and his size. IMar seems to be someone Marinelli can keep with. Either way, he is going to have to giant-kill one of them before the finals, and likely the other in the finals. If that happens, I am a full Bull believer!
Wilke is admittedly my stretch. I am hopeful he clears the funk before tourney time.
Whether 33 or 41, We will have a filler at one, for sure. I actually spoke with a friend of mine with the HWC, and he said that Murin is the most likely to drop, if needed (and has the body to do so), but no cutting yet.
Looking forward to the next month, Jeff!!
From: Herky [mailto:herky-bounces at lists.herky.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Napier
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Subject: Re: [Herky] Wrestling Recap - Pre Big Ten Tourney - Read only if you like wrestling!
Gwen - Correct. Downey will never wrestle as a Hawkeye
Curtis - Good stuff. I agree with most of what you said but I am probably a little more cautious than you.
Lee - He can certainly win it all. My concern is that he has had a couple of matches where he has lost the third period. Not sure if this is a conditioning issue or a weight mgmt issue but this does concern me.
Kemerer - Seems like he has a knee issue also which has hampered him in recent matches. Not sure if he will be at full strength or not. I think he can still win, assuming Nolf is not healthy, but margin is thin if knee is an issue.
Marinelli - You mention Joseph but not IMar. At this point I think they are both better than the Bull at this point.
Wilke - I think making top 8 is a more realistic hope at this point. He did much better than expected last year so maybe he will surprise me.
As far as the future I have not seen anything that makes me think Murin can get to 133. He is the best 141 guy right now so I expect him to be at that weight next year. 133 looks to be a big hole again next year unless thky get a transfer.
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From: Herky <herky-bounces at lists.herky.net<mailto:herky-bounces at lists.herky.net>> on behalf of Gwen Enokian <gmcnhawkeye at gmail.com<mailto:gmcnhawkeye at gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 7:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [Herky] Wrestling Recap - Pre Big Ten Tourney - Read only if you like wrestling!
thanks very interesting
and Pat Downey will never wrestle as a Hawkeye?
On Feb 19, 2018 3:39 PM, "Curtis Frazier" <cfrazier at ceoexpress.com<mailto:cfrazier at ceoexpress.com>> wrote:
All,
I am out of hibernation and now it is time for my annual recap going into the lull before the Big Ten tournament. Contrary to what everyone is hearing, I think that is an impressive team. I would venture to say that the talent in many weight classes is some of the best we have had in a long time. The problem is that PSU and tOSU have incredible teams (and are in conference), and Michigan is very respectable.
I think we have a legitimate shot at 5 finalists (or at least 4 and a dark horse), and 2 with a pretty good shot to win it all - 125 (Lee), 149 (Sorenson, or SOAR), 157 (Kemerer, or KemDawg), 165 (Marinelli, or The Bull), and 285 (Stoll) all are some of the best we have. That is the good news. The bad news is that each of these guys have almost an unbelievable/unbeatable talent ALSO in their weight class, and ALSO in their conference! Here is MY view of their toughest competition:
Our Strong Potential Finalists
125: Lee (IA) vs. Nathan Thomasello (tOSU) – National Champion in 2015, 3x All American (1st,3rd,3rd ). Spencer beat him, but it is not an easy feat to repeat.
149: Sorenson (IA) vs. Zain Retherford (PSU) – Returning 2x National Champion. Hodge Trophy winner, and probably the best wrestler (or 2nd best) in college. Sorenson has NEVER beat him, but has come close last year.
157: Kemerer (IA) vs. Jason Nolf (PSU) – Returning National Champ and 3x All American. There is a strong chance that he will not wrestle due to injury, which could be huge. Kemerer just needs to work on his conditioning and last until and through the 3rd period with the same intensity and no one else will beat him
165: Marinelli (IA) vs. Vincenzo Joseph (PSU) – Returning National Champion. Thick and quick, The Bull just beat him in their last pairing, but I do not see that as an overly easy feat to repeat.
Hwt Stoll (IA) vs. Kyle Snyder (tOSU) & Adam Coon (UM) – Kyle is an Olympic Champ, World Champion, 3x All American and finalist, and a 2x National Champ. And arguably the best wrestler in the world at this weight. And…….Adam Coon just beat him. Adam is a 2x All American (3rd & 2nd ) and just beat Sam In the last dual. Both guys are beasts and Sam will face one of them prior to the finals.
Our remaining lineup
133: Paul Glynn He is scrappy and tries hard, but is not ready to come out of the oven yet. He could have 1-2 upsets, but I honestly do not think he will be ready to win more than 1-2 at the B10’s and probably the same at NCAA, if that. This is one of our focus areas for next year and hope is that Max Murin can cut to this weight and backfill here. It is a hole in our lineup, most definitely. Bummer that Senior Philip Laux could not show more consistency. Another likely guy is Justin Stickley (sorry, but all 3 options are quite interchangeable, thus the problem).
141 Vince Turk Similar to the above – not quite ready for Prime Time. He has a single ‘go to move’ that is easily shut down. If he keeps his intensity and tries other things, he may do 1 match better than our 133lb class. Outside chance that they would put in Carter Happel instead (4x Iowa State Champ in IA) as they have been splitting time in the lineup. Happel has knocked off a few ranked guys, but just does not have the maturity to be consistent. However, I think Brands prefers Turk.
174 Joey Gunther People like him and I do as well, but I don’t think he has the talent to make the podium……yet. He will do well and stay close to most, but he just does not have the offense to beat the elite right now. Another wrestler that may make this spot is Kaleb Young. He has been inserted into the lineup a few times and I, personally, like him. I think he has a bigger engine and sense of urgency and could do slightly better.
184 Mitch Bowman He is a scrapper and is a little hot & cold, but he hangs in there. Could finish middle of the pack at B10’s and might be a round of 12 at NCAA’s. Could slip in as low All American.
197 Cash Wilcke Another good wrestler with a bad mojo right now. He has not been wrestling good as of late – no gas at end, letting others finish moves at end of period, etc. if Brands (x2) can get him out of his own head and wrestling with aggression, he could be an AA (he was 1 match away from All American last year). Easily the best athlete on the team (look at his bio!), and can do really well.
So, My predictions? Here they are:
Weight Big 10 Tournament NCAA Tournament
125 1st 1st
133 8th DNP
141 5th DNP
149 2nd 2nd
157 1st 1st
165 2nd 2nd
174 4th 8th
187 6th DNP
197 3rd 5th
HWT 3rd 3rd
Team: 4th Place (1=PSU, 2 = tOSU, 3 = Michigan)
Bad news: We lose only Brandon Sorenson (149) to graduation
Good news: We can reload at 149 with slight caliber loss (Pat Lugo)
We get Jacob Warner in the lineup
We get Anthony Cassioppi in the room and ‘on deck’ at HWT
Looking FAR ahead to next year:
125 Spencer Lee (Solid)
133 Max Murin (or unknown transfer)
141 Carter Happel (could be the go forward with a little more room time)
149 Pat Lugo (Edinboro transfer – should be immediate All American candidate)
157 Michael Kemerer (and Brands coming in as a true freshman for backfill)
165 Alex Marinelli (Solid)
174 Mitch Bowman (wouldn’t surprise me if Kaleb Young gets the nod, though)
184 Cash Wilcke (dropping weight, keeping muscle, kicking a**)
197 Jacob Warner (VERY good freshman waiting his turn)
HWT Stoll (Solid) (and we are bringing in a stud in Anthony Cassioppi to backfill)
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