[Herky] Wrestling Recap - Pre Big Ten Tourney - Read only if you like wrestling!

Tue Feb 20 03:42:47 PST 2018

All good points, Jeff. 

I think Spencer's problem earlier was 18 year old-it is. It is a whole
different level there. I am really holding out hope he has grown out of the
peach fuzz, but valid observation.

Kem-Dawg does have the knee, but his overall engine is more concerning to
me. He just winds down after the 1st. Could be just me, but I think that may
be his downfall.

As for IMar, I like him, but I worried more about Joseph and his size. IMar
seems to be someone Marinelli can keep with. Either way, he is going to have
to giant-kill one of them before the finals, and likely the other in the
finals. If that happens, I am a full Bull believer!

Wilke is admittedly my stretch. I am hopeful he clears the funk before
tourney time.

Whether 33 or 41, We will have a filler at one, for sure. I actually spoke
with a friend of mine with the HWC, and he said that Murin is the most
likely to drop, if needed (and has the body to do so), but no cutting yet.

Looking forward to the next month, Jeff!!

From: Herky [mailto:herky-bounces at lists.herky.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Napier
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:03 AM
To: Gwen Enokian <gmcnhawkeye at gmail.com>; Herky <herky at lists.herky.net>
Subject: Re: [Herky] Wrestling Recap - Pre Big Ten Tourney - Read only if
you like wrestling!

Gwen - Correct. Downey will never wrestle as a Hawkeye

Curtis - Good stuff.  I agree with most of what you said but I am probably a
little more cautious than you.

Lee - He can certainly win it all. My concern is that he has had a couple of
matches where he has lost the third period. Not sure if this is a
conditioning issue or a weight mgmt issue but this does concern me.

Kemerer - Seems like he has a knee issue also which has hampered him in
recent matches. Not sure if he will be at full strength or not. I think he
can still win, assuming Nolf is not healthy, but margin is thin if knee is
an issue.

Marinelli - You mention Joseph but not IMar.  At this point I think they are
both better than the Bull at this point.

Wilke - I think making top 8 is a more realistic hope at this point. He did
much better than expected last year so maybe he will surprise me.

As far as the future I have not seen anything that makes me think Murin can
get to 133. He is the best 141 guy right now so I expect him to be at that
weight next year. 133 looks to be a big hole again next year unless thky get
a transfer.

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From: Herky <herky-bounces at lists.herky.net
<mailto:herky-bounces at lists.herky.net> > on behalf of Gwen Enokian
<gmcnhawkeye at gmail.com <mailto:gmcnhawkeye at gmail.com> >
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 7:25 PM
To: Herky
Subject: Re: [Herky] Wrestling Recap - Pre Big Ten Tourney - Read only if
you like wrestling! 

thanks very interesting  

and Pat Downey will never wrestle as a Hawkeye? 

On Feb 19, 2018 3:39 PM, "Curtis Frazier" <cfrazier at ceoexpress.com
<mailto:cfrazier at ceoexpress.com> > wrote:

All,

I am out of hibernation and now it is time for my annual recap going into
the lull before the Big Ten tournament. Contrary to what everyone is
hearing, I think that is an impressive team. I would venture to say that the
talent in many weight classes is some of the best we have had in a long
time. The problem is that PSU and tOSU have incredible teams (and are in
conference), and Michigan is very respectable. 

I think we have a legitimate shot at 5 finalists (or at least 4 and a dark
horse), and 2 with a pretty good shot to win it all - 125 (Lee), 149
(Sorenson, or SOAR), 157 (Kemerer, or KemDawg), 165 (Marinelli, or The
Bull), and 285 (Stoll) all are some of the best we have. That is the good
news. The bad news is that each of these guys have almost an
unbelievable/unbeatable talent ALSO in their weight class, and ALSO in their
conference! Here is MY view of their toughest competition:

Our Strong Potential Finalists

125:   Lee (IA)               vs.     Nathan Thomasello (tOSU) - National
Champion in 2015, 3x All American (1st,3rd,3rd ). Spencer beat him, but it
is not an easy feat to repeat. 

149:   Sorenson (IA)       vs.     Zain Retherford (PSU) - Returning 2x
National Champion. Hodge Trophy winner, and probably the best wrestler (or
2nd best) in college. Sorenson has NEVER beat him, but has come close last
year. 

157:   Kemerer (IA)        vs.     Jason Nolf (PSU) - Returning National
Champ and 3x All American. There is a strong chance that he will not wrestle
due to injury, which could be huge. Kemerer just needs to work on his
conditioning and last until and through the 3rd period with the same
intensity and no one else will beat him

165:   Marinelli (IA)       vs.     Vincenzo Joseph (PSU) - Returning
National Champion. Thick and quick, The Bull just beat him in their last
pairing, but I do not see that as an overly easy feat to repeat.

Hwt  Stoll (IA)              vs.     Kyle Snyder (tOSU) & Adam Coon (UM) -
Kyle is an Olympic Champ, World Champion, 3x All American and finalist, and
a 2x National Champ. And arguably the best wrestler in the world at this
weight. And...Adam Coon just beat him. Adam is a 2x All American (3rd & 2nd
) and just beat Sam In the last dual. Both guys are beasts and Sam will face
one of them prior to the finals.

Our remaining lineup

133:   Paul Glynn           He is scrappy and tries hard, but is not ready
to come out of the oven yet. He could have 1-2 upsets, but I honestly do not
think he will be ready to win more than 1-2 at the B10's and probably the
same at NCAA, if that. This is one of our focus areas for next year and hope
is that Max Murin can cut to this weight and backfill here. It is a hole in
our lineup, most definitely. Bummer that Senior Philip Laux could not show
more consistency. Another likely guy is Justin Stickley (sorry, but all 3
options are quite interchangeable, thus the problem). 

141     Vince Turk           Similar to the above - not quite ready for
Prime Time. He has a single 'go to move' that is easily shut down. If he
keeps his intensity and tries other things, he may do 1 match better than
our 133lb class. Outside chance that they would put in Carter Happel instead
(4x Iowa State Champ in IA) as they have been splitting time in the lineup.
Happel has knocked off a few ranked guys, but just does not have the
maturity to be consistent. However, I think Brands prefers Turk. 

174    Joey Gunther       People like him and I do as well, but I don't
think he has the talent to make the podium..yet. He will do well and stay
close to most, but he just does not have the offense to beat the elite right
now. Another wrestler that may make this spot is Kaleb Young. He has been
inserted into the lineup a few times and I, personally, like him. I think he
has a bigger engine and sense of urgency and could do slightly better. 

184    Mitch Bowman    He is a scrapper and is a little hot & cold, but he
hangs in there. Could finish middle of the pack at B10's and might be a
round of 12 at NCAA's. Could slip in as low All American. 

197    Cash Wilcke         Another good wrestler with a bad mojo right now.
He has not been wrestling good as of late - no gas at end, letting others
finish moves at end of period, etc. if Brands (x2) can get him out of his
own head and wrestling with aggression, he could be an AA (he was 1 match
away from All American last year). Easily the best athlete on the team (look
at his bio!), and can do really well. 

So, My predictions? Here they are:

Weight                 Big 10 Tournament                 NCAA Tournament

125                                 1st
1st 

133                                 8th
DNP

141                                 5th
DNP

149                                 2nd
2nd 

157                                 1st
1st 

165                                 2nd
2nd

174                                 4th
8th 

187                                 6th
DNP

197                                 3rd
5th 

HWT                             3rd
3rd 

Team:         4th Place (1=PSU, 2 = tOSU, 3 = Michigan)

Bad news:  We lose only Brandon Sorenson (149) to graduation

Good news: We can reload at 149 with slight caliber loss (Pat Lugo)

                   We get Jacob Warner in the lineup

                   We get Anthony Cassioppi in the room and 'on deck' at HWT

Looking FAR ahead to next year:

125              Spencer Lee (Solid)

133              Max Murin (or unknown transfer)

141              Carter Happel (could be the go forward with a little more
room time)

149              Pat Lugo (Edinboro transfer - should be immediate All
American candidate)

157              Michael Kemerer (and Brands coming in as a true freshman
for backfill)

165              Alex Marinelli (Solid)

174              Mitch Bowman (wouldn't surprise me if Kaleb Young gets the
nod, though)

184              Cash Wilcke (dropping weight, keeping muscle, kicking a**)

197              Jacob Warner (VERY good freshman waiting his turn)

HWT          Stoll (Solid) (and we are bringing in a stud in Anthony
Cassioppi to backfill)

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